Yahoo considering my setup as spam...any clues anyone ?

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Yahoo considering my setup as spam...any clues anyone ?

Postby nickybee » 5:45pm, Tue 30 May, 2006

OK so I just spent the better part of the day configuring my installation of PHP (hacked the code a little so I can return back to the website's custom thank you pages etc etc) - anyways I was quite happy with it because it was all working fine...BUT - and this is a fairly big but - when I tested with a yahoo hosted domain (specifically never.com) - it got treated as spam.

I then started removing headers by sifting through the scripts for things like Precedence: bulk and so on (as suggested on this forum)

even after removing all the weird headers I still get this to Junk on yahoo - I tested another phpmailer (a freebie simple script called XLmail) and that got sent to junk too.

Unfortunately for me this makes phplist unusable - does anyone have any idea if this is just a "feature" of using phpmail or if there is some way around this.

(hosting provider is hostforweb) and the headers received at yahoo (in junk folder) are provided below

Thanks

Nick

X-Apparently-To: nick@never.com via 68.142.224.170; Tue, 30 May 2006 10:13:23 -0700
X-YahooFilteredBulk: 66.225.212.132
X-Originating-IP: [66.225.212.132]
Authentication-Results: mta106.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com
from=shadowcompanythemovie.com; domainkeys=neutral (no sig)
Received: from 66.225.212.132 (EHLO rome.hostforweb.net) (66.225.212.132)
by mta106.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; Tue, 30 May 2006 10:13:22 -0700
Received: from nobody by rome.hostforweb.net with local (Exim 4.52)
id 1Fl7mP-0001CD-9p
for nick@never.com; Tue, 30 May 2006 12:13:17 -0500
To: nick@never.com
Subject: Please confirm interest in Shadow Company
X-PHP-Script: www.shadowcompanythemovie.com/list/index.php for 64.180.164.20
Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 12:13:17 -0500
From: Shadow Company Information <lists>
Message-ID: <5ed7dc8c292bdd0927b05a337b2b32b1>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report
X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - rome.hostforweb.net
X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - never.com
X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [99 99] / [47 12]
X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - rome.hostforweb.net
X-Source:
X-Source-Args:
X-Source-Dir:
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Postby H2B2 » 6:20pm, Tue 30 May, 2006

I don't think the problem is caused by the way phplist creates message headers. In many instances the basic problem are issues related to your domain/DNS and mail server setup. The best thing you could do, is to check for errors in your setup at http://www.dnsreport.com/.

Ask your isp to fix all errors. Specially important is reverse DNS, Mail server host name in HELO/EHLO, and some other issues you'll find in the dns report for your domain, as these are used to determine whether the sender of a message will be considered a potential spammer or not.

In essence, recent anti-spam measures do not only rely on checking text strings in the message contents. Authentication of the message sender, is now an increasingly popular - though, not water tight - measure to discourage spammers. With reason, one might say.
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thanks for the reply Al

Postby nickybee » 6:40pm, Tue 30 May, 2006

http://www.dnsreport.com/tools/dnsrepor ... emovie.com

reverse DNs appears appears to be fine - but it's reporting a failure on open DNS server - I don't know if this could be causing the spam filtering but will ask hostforweb

Thanks again

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Postby H2B2 » 6:50pm, Tue 30 May, 2006

Let your isp also fix the "Mail server host name in greeting" warning, considering that "If your mailserver sends out E-mail using this domain in its EHLO or HELO, your E-mail might get blocked by anti-spam software".

The SPF record warning is something to be fixed if you're experiencing problems with AOL. But that's something you can do yourself.
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will try

Postby nickybee » 7:03pm, Tue 30 May, 2006

I wonder if they'll bother to do it - just now they claimed that open DNS is not a cause for spam blocking

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Postby H2B2 » 7:08pm, Tue 30 May, 2006

Try and give them the link to dnsreport.com so they can see for themselves. If they still dont bother, i guess you would be better off with another isp.
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just did that in the last email...

Postby nickybee » 7:11pm, Tue 30 May, 2006

we'll see what they come back with (it started with "it's not our responsibility to control how other isps restrict spam etc etc")

they also seem to think the "nobody" sender is a problem...but that would surely always be the case with php

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Postby H2B2 » 7:24pm, Tue 30 May, 2006

You should be able to change "nobody" to "mail" or "list" or something like that, if you go to Admin -> configure and check all email accounts. Than make sure these mail addresses really exist. Use your isp's control panel to do this.
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it's not the nobody from the admin panel...

Postby nickybee » 7:25pm, Tue 30 May, 2006

that one's already changed to lists@shadowcompanythemovie.com - if you look at the headers it's a nobody that apache is running as (at least I think it is)

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Postby H2B2 » 7:34pm, Tue 30 May, 2006

yes, I think you're right.
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nobody

Postby nickybee » 7:41pm, Tue 30 May, 2006

hostforweb is claiming that nobody is not change-able - which is fine - but apparently they're changing the MX record now to make it function correctly vis-a-vis that warning - I don't know if that will be enough to fix the problem

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Postby H2B2 » 7:50pm, Tue 30 May, 2006

They should fix the "Mail server host name in greeting" warning too, because this may mark your messages as spam.
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they claim that's not fixable...

Postby nickybee » 8:15pm, Tue 30 May, 2006

something about rdns needing to be that server

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hey H2B2

Postby nickybee » 9:02am, Wed 31 May, 2006

so hostforweb "tried" to fix something on the server but whatever they did now the www.dnsreport.com record for shadowcompanythemovie.com looks worse than it did before - now there is no reverse DNS lookup...

hmm - tested it just in case and it still gets tagged as spam.

mind you the bulletin board software that runs on their system (which I installed phpbb) - also gets tagged as spam - or rather the messages it generates - including the original "confirmation" message when you sign up for a new account - gets tagged as spam...

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hey H2B2 I think you're right...

Postby nickybee » 6:17pm, Thu 01 Jun, 2006

it's the mail server greeting that's the problem (at least I think so) - look at this

SPAM (sent by php from shadowcompanythemovie.com)

Authentication-Results: mta107.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com
from=shadowcompanythemovie.com; domainkeys=neutral (no sig)
Received: from 66.225.212.132 (EHLO rome.hostforweb.net) (66.225.212.132)
by mta107.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; Thu, 01 Jun 2006 10:52:43 -0700
Received: from nobody by rome.hostforweb.net with local (Exim 4.52)
id 1FlrLY-0002kT-LM
for nick@never.com; Thu, 01 Jun 2006 12:52:36 -0500
To: nick@never.com

NOT SPAM (sent by php from dvxuser.com)

Authentication-Results: mta112.biz.mail.re2.yahoo.com
from=dvxuser.com; domainkeys=neutral (no sig)
Received: from 205.234.145.242 (EHLO server.dvxuser.com) (205.234.145.242)
by mta112.biz.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; Wed, 31 May 2006 22:35:29 -0700
Received: from nobody by server.dvxuser.com with local (Exim 4.52)
id 1FlfqB-0005t7-CA
for nick@never.com; Thu, 01 Jun 2006 00:35:27 -0500
To: nick@never.com

both those domains are hosted with hostforweb.net...
interestingly they initially claimed that because these are shared servers then when phpmail() kicks off a mail from the machine (using sendmail) that the machine itself (rome) will always identify itself and there is no way to avoid this unless you decide to host from a dedicated server.

I don't know enough about how php communicates with sendmail or what virtual server configurations look like at that level - does anyone else know if that's true ?

Because that would mean that virtually ALL installations of phplist on shared servers are being blocked by yahoo

Anyone know of a way around this (e.g. forcing php to use smtp ?)

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